Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:16:12 -0500 From: Aristotelis Grammatikakis Subject: If Tangueros where like Greek DriversSomething I came up while having too much free time and too much tango. What if tangueros lead like cab drivers drive in Athens?
The would dance at three times the speed of a Milonga, turn at the same
and navigate by slaloming around other couples. The line of the dance
matter neither does its direction. If it happens that they almost missed
hitting another couple, they would extend one of their hands with their
in the greek traditional "moutza", throw it at them angrily and give off a
of swears in creative greek or turkish. If they bumped into the couple they
would stop dancing, curse at them for being in the way then continue
dancing. If the other tanguero cursed back, they would leave their partner,
go beat up the
offending tanguero then go back dancing while still cursing at them.
While dancing they would go by the people sitting on the chairs and ask
they want to dance, although they are at present having three other
But seriously they are nice fellows and always offer some excitement in a
hot Athens day.
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 22:19:40 -0500 From: Melinda Bates Subject: Re: If Tangueros where like Greek Drivers I don't know about Greek drivers, as I have yet to visit there. But if tangueros danced like drivers in Rome, when they catch your eye as you maneuver yourself and your partner around in a slightly distant space, not in their line of dance, they will lock eyes with you and dance directly AT you, speeding up as they get closer, causing you to jump out of the way or risk the loss of life or limb.... it is QUITE an experience! Unfortunately, as a follower, I have experienced "dancing" almost exactly like what Aristotelis described. Rough and careless leads, talking through the music...When I started dancing, with swing and lindy, I thought that courtesy required me to finish any dance I started with someone, no matter how awful. Now I think my first responsibility is to my own safety, and if someone is rough or careless I will just say "sorry, I prefer to sit the rest of this out". Luckily that does not happen often in tango, but there is a local dancer who scares the daylights out of me, with dips and spins and other non-tango moves and badly placed ganchos.... The last time he asked me to dance I just said (politely) "no thank you". The women around me were shocked. In America no one just says "no" without an explanation. Why is that? (I am American.) Are women obliged to dance just because someone asks them? Are men? My favorite teacher loves teaching but hates to go to milongas because the women always ask him to dance, and he hates it. The women who ask him, and don't know him well, are offended when he says no. (The rest of us know better.) I have been talking about this behavior at milongas with an Argentine friend who has quite strong opinions on the subject. Perhaps the tango-L has already addressed this, and I just am late to the discussion. But I am curious what other leaders and followers think.top of page
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 01:46:55 -0500 From: Matej Oresic Subject: Re: If Tangueros where like Greek Drivers Well, try to experience driving in Buenos Aires ... One can also look at the "problem" from the different point of view. Driving in Ithaca/NY makes me mad because people are so excessively pleasant and at the same time slow. When the green light turns on, it takes another minute for the guy ahead of me to figure out the change. The whole traffic moves like in slow motion, eventhough there is really no reason for this to happen, and it feels like people do not really wish to move. What I am missing is the momentum, the desire to move, like one can experience when driving in most of Europe. I am telling this because in tango there is the same problem. One needs to have a desire to move. Tango needs the momentum, because the "drive" is in the music. Personaly, I think it is a lot easier to discipline the "careless driver" (in tango) and make him a great dancer than get somebody to move who is afread of doing it. Once I had a great tango student who got his first speeding ticket soon after starting to learn tango... Of course, this is nothing to be proud of, and definitely with experience one becomes a "smart driver", but the point is without getting this desire to move out one cannot do the tango. Best, Matej http://lancelot.bio.cornell.edu/matej/tango/top of page
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Garrit Fleischmann Apr. 99